slammedeluxe Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 What Car? video link, worth a watch. would have been nice to have put a Renegade Trailhawk in against the Dacia 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKTJ Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 54 minutes ago, slammedeluxe said: What Car? video link, worth a watch. would have been nice to have put a Renegade Trailhawk in against the Dacia A great result for Jeep and the Wrangler. And while pricing is often criticised here it does look a bargain versus the Grenadier and Defender, both at almost £80k. I had to laugh at the comment at 11:15, as I was one of those people saying the second driver was not doing a good job. On the third hill the first guy managed to drive to the side of the deep rut that defeated the second driver. Maybe the vehicles did not allow him to avoid it, but it would have been good to see them swap vehicles to see how much was vehicle and how much driver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member Surfer Posted January 10 Platinum Member Share Posted January 10 Surely the mpg figures for the Defender are incorrect at over 100mpg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammedeluxe Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Surfer said: Surely the mpg figures for the Defender are incorrect at over 100mpg? The one tested was a Hybrid, that maybe where tat anomaly comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member Surfer Posted January 10 Platinum Member Share Posted January 10 24 minutes ago, slammedeluxe said: The one tested was a Hybrid, that maybe where tat anomaly comes from? Even if it is a hybrid that is phenomenal mpg. From Landrover website "Defender 110 plug-in electric hybrid (PHEV) delivers a pure electric range of up to 32 miles" hence very unsure of the +100mpg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammedeluxe Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Surfer said: Even if it is a hybrid that is phenomenal mpg. From Landrover website "Defender 110 plug-in electric hybrid (PHEV) delivers a pure electric range of up to 32 miles" hence very unsure of the +100mpg? The official calculations can be weird on hybrids with some fanciful mpg claims, if they did the course all in electric mode it would be +100mpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member Surfer Posted January 10 Platinum Member Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, slammedeluxe said: The official calculations can be weird on hybrids with some fanciful mpg claims, if they did the course all in electric mode it would be +100mpg If they only used electric then it cannot be mpg per miles per kwh? LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member AlexK Posted January 11 Platinum Member Share Posted January 11 As a hybrid, during some portions of the test the vehicle will have driven on electric power alone with the combustion engine switched off. At other times, the IC engine will have fired up and taken over. No measurement will have been made of the amount of electrical power consumed during the test, only the amount of fuel. So if the engine was off during part of the test, at those times it would have been effectively recording near-infinite mpg. That skews the figures when the final calculations are done. And you can bet the vehicle would have been presented for testing with a 100% fully charged battery, to maximise opportunity for electric propulsion. Does that mean the mpg figures reported are unachievable? Not necessarily. If you do only short journeys, frequently plug-in to recharge, and moderate your chosen route and driving style to better suit the conditions under which electric propulsion is engaged, then it's quite possible to complete a journey having used little to no fuel at all. Of course, you will have electricity costs, but these are not reported under the WLTP regime for hybrids. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member V Posted January 11 Platinum Member Share Posted January 11 Alex, do you know what other BMW's have had the same ZF 8-speed trans with electric drive? I can't find any info about the electric control system. It would be interesting if that transmission with hybrid drive could be transplanted into an older vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member AlexK Posted January 11 Platinum Member Share Posted January 11 There aren’t too many options for this set-up so I imagine any PHEV with an 8-speed is using the same 8HP75XPH or a variant of it. It’s also in the Jeep 4xe set-up. The control system is likely to be a significant challenge. The complexity involved in this stuff is the reason why Ineos took not just the BMW engine, but also dash cluster, shifter, and half the electrical architecture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member Rfn25 Posted January 12 Platinum Member Share Posted January 12 We got a Grenadier at work and it’s spent a fair bit of time at the garage having some software issues sorted. The Grenadier is a very nice spec but the price reflected this. It is nice but should have been a price bracket lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammedeluxe Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Brad Kowitz of Trailrecon just got his hands on a Grenadier trail ride test drive, with his experience of Jeeps over the years, this is well worth a watch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member frosty Posted January 19 Author Platinum Member Share Posted January 19 good review, he liked it for sure, also he made a good point that as competition for wranglers it should keep jeep on their toes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKTJ Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, frosty said: good review, he liked it for sure, also he made a good point that as competition for wranglers it should keep jeep on their toes. I agree it was a good, balanced review. It sound like if they can do something about the steering they will have a real winner on their hands, even in the US. He mentioned the price point once, but I don’t know how it is priced in the US vs the Wrangler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member AlexK Posted March 15 Platinum Member Share Posted March 15 I think, for me, this is probably the yardstick by which we can measure the Grenadier's success. I'm thinking utilities providers, in particular. It is very expensive, though, and the conversion industry will need a lot of persuasion to leave their Rangers and Hiluxes. Quote INEOS Automotive launches Grenadier Quartermaster chassis cab INEOS Automotive has launched a five-seat double cab Chassis variant of the Grenadier Quartermaster pick-up, aimed at specialist vehicle converters and commercial body builders worldwide. Developed in tandem with the Quartermaster pick-up, the Chassis Cab is engineered to deliver a class-leading combination of off-road capability and load-carrying versatility, with the comfort, safety, refinement and features that today’s drivers expect. George Ratcliffe, Commercial Director, INEOS Automotive, comments, “In the first year since the Grenadier launched we have already seen a number of specialist conversions, particularly with emergency services such as fire, police and inshore rescue, so launching the Quartermaster Chassis Cab is a natural step that takes our off-road expertise into many commercial areas that need a class leading 4X4.” Sharing the Quartermaster’s 3,227mm wheelbase – 305mm longer than the Grenadier Station Wagon – the Chassis Cab features an exposed ladder frame behind the passenger cabin, giving customers and aftermarket vehicle converters a wide range of body-building options that are enhanced by the 3,500kg towing capability. The Grenadier Quartermaster Chassis Cab will be built in Hambach, France, at the manufacturing facility INEOS Automotive acquired from Mercedes-Benz in January 2021. Built on the same production line as the other Grenadier models, the Chassis Cab shares its five-seat double cab, full box-section ladder frame chassis, heavy-duty solid beam axles, two-speed transfer case, and up to three locking differentials with the Quartermaster. Power comes from a choice of BMW 3.0-litre turbo-charged inline six-cylinder petrol or diesel engines, driving all four wheels through an eight-speed automatic transmission from ZF. “The Grenadier’s body-on-frame construction already provides huge versatility for customisation, and we know from customer configurations that our vehicles are being used equally between commercial and leisure users. The ‘blank canvas’ Chassis Cab variant allows even greater versatility, from the basic trayback for agricultural use through recovery and emergency services to tourism, presenting an ideal platform for an overlanding camper.” adds Ratcliffe. Prices in the UK will begin at £53,180 RRP ex VAT. To find out more about Grenadier prices, technical specifications and options, visit ineosgrenadier.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKTJ Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, AlexK said: I think, for me, this is probably the yardstick by which we can measure the Grenadier's success. I'm thinking utilities providers, in particular. It is very expensive, though, and the conversion industry will need a lot of persuasion to leave their Rangers and Hiluxes. We'll know it has been a sales success when we start seeing them on the news reports from various countries around the world with large calibre machine guns mounted in the rear. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Member jeepstertim Posted March 17 Platinum Member Share Posted March 17 The Ineos showroom here in Qatar has lots for sale, yet to see one on the road or in the sand though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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