Running Costs

[Vernon]

We all are going to suffer more, from fuel cost rises it seems.

 

But according to what I have just read, EV’s are going to be more expensive to run than petrol or diesel vehicles.

 

The RAC did some calculations and after the October price cap hike they calculated that a Jag i-Pace would cost £99 more to do the same 400 mile journey.

 

With petrol prices coming down but electric prices sky-rocketing it seems that the Jag I-Pace would travel only about 290 miles on one charge and need charging on route to complete the journey.

 

The RAC calculate that after October this will cost an i-Pace driver £99 more than someone driving a petrol Jag f-Pace.

 

I knew my purchase of a 2.5 TD XJ last year was one of my better decisions - and this winter as I rumble around the countryside able to deal with pretty much anything a U.K. winter can throw at us, I shall definitely be happy that it’s mpg is what it is.

 

How times change……

[Volant165]

26 minutes ago, Vernon said:

We all are going to suffer more, from fuel cost rises it seems.

 

But according to what I have just read, EV’s are going to be more expensive to run than petrol or diesel vehicles.

 

The RAC did some calculations and after the October price cap hike they calculated that a Jag i-Pace would cost £99 more to do the same 400 mile journey.

 

With petrol prices coming down but electric prices sky-rocketing it seems that the Jag I-Pace would travel only about 290 miles on one charge and need charging on route to complete the journey.

 

The RAC calculate that after October this will cost an i-Pace driver £99 more than someone driving a petrol Jag f-Pace.

 

I knew my purchase of a 2.5 TD XJ last year was one of my better decisions - and this winter as I rumble around the countryside able to deal with pretty much anything a U.K. winter can throw at us, I shall definitely be happy that it’s mpg is what it is.

 

How times change……

And wait. The £28 billion in "road tax" currently collected at the pump on a per litre basis will be migrating to EV's as well. 

[Overlander21]

Anyone would think the energy companies saw this coming

[BLUE STAR]

Always suspected that the sudden vilification of diesel vehicles was more to do with how dammed efficient in fuel use they had become over the years & nothing else.

[V]

The practical realities for some EV owner/drivers over the coming years that don't affect drivers of ICE cars:

• The affect of range anxiety on your health, trying to get home on the remaining charge or finding a working recharge station that is immediately available
• Having a sufficient electricity supply at home to recharge or a nearby overnight street-side charging point that does not require a long walk home
• Always carrying a high current capable charging lead because thieves are stealing them from public recharging machines
• Not being able to leave your vehicle unattended during a recharge because thieves will cut your cable and steal it when in use
• Accidentally leaving your expensive charging lead at the public charge point 100 miles away
• The government remotely controlling your home charger so someone else decides when you can recharge your car and by how much
• Never being able to rely on your car being fully charged when you need it to be
• Losing the main benefit that justified the purchase. Paying more for electricity than petrol, diesel, LPG because the majority of electricity generation for EVs is not green and gas is no longer cheap
• Being forced to have an expensive 3-phase electricity supply installed if you have two EVs or one EV and electric heating at home
• Losing the road tax perk by being taxed per mile like petrol and diesel cars have been for decades
• Getting a reputation for tardiness because you are late for appointments, queuing for a charge point again and the fast charge not available.
• Destroying your batteries before the lease has expired and having to replace them because you top up charged too frequently and didn't know that the battery management system your car has did not segment the cells to only recharge those that were flat.
• Frequent late arrivals at home blamed on recharging the car makes your partner worried that you are having an affair, or makes you think your partner is when they are driving it.
• Being conscious of the negativity the rest of the public feel towards your little green number plate stripe claiming zero emissions but everyone knows is BS that punishes non EV owners.
• The tax perk that is going to disappear as quick as it arrived but at a time when you can least afford it.
• Finding out that the used EV that you bought is not actually a car but a mobile phone on wheels and you cannot repair it yourself - Thank Apple and John Deere for that.
• Narrowly escaping an unexpected vehicle fire when your batteries develop a fault
• Paying more in car insurance than the old ICE car as the cost of extinguishing and cleaning up after an EV fire become more of a thing
• Paying more in home and business insurance as EV fires becomes more noticeable to actuaries
• The grid sucking power out of your fully charged car batteries because someone enabled that option to save money and now you only have 50% capacity for your 3-day a week morning commute

And so on...

[Stew the Jeep]

Great Post Vince..

[Vernon]

30 minutes ago, Stew the Jeep said:

Great Post Vince..

Agreed!!

[HussaR]

Surely if you charge from home, it’s cheaper?

[Vernon]

You would think so - but if I understand it correctly- what they found is that with the cost of electricity going sky high, the new higher costs mean that a mile travelled in an EV will cost more than a mile travelled via petrol or diesel.

 

And it’s compounded by the limited range of an EV.  Hence the 400 mile journey calculation.  This is done with ease in a petrol or diesel whereas an EV will require a charge up.   They cite at 290 miles and i assume the cost of this “top-up” charge would be more than the cost of a home charge up.

 

Their calculations suggest that after October this year, an I-Pace would cost £99 more than an F-Pace for a 400 mile trip.

 

Different cars will undoubtedly produce different figures.  But when you look at the almost unbelievable price premium of an EV compared to a fossil fuel car, I wonder why anyone would buy an EV now?

[BLUE STAR]

And don't dismiss the used value of an EV with reduced range or near  depleted battery. (Scrap value) ?

[HussaR]

I think my future combo will be a small EV (smart twizzy)and a 2 door JL wrangler… I’ll use the EV fir run around, jeep for fun

[frosty]

a point to mention is how much the range comes down in hot countries, i have been in Dubai for the last 6 months, where it is very hot, currently around 44 to 47C, i was talking to a Tesla owner the other day, he said the range is dramatically lower in hot weather, when the A/C is working very hard to keep the car interior cold, also the battery efficiency suffers over 40c. 

[Matt]

Just bought a used golf gtd with a claimed ( but almost certainly false) mpg of 63.   However its likely to be well over 55, so is a cheaper (and low emissions) way of commuting and keeping the jeep.  Have already got a few mods planned for the golf - this is something I wouldn't have done before jeep ownership!! 

[UKTJ]

On 27/08/2022 at 20:46, Vernon said:

You would think so - but if I understand it correctly- what they found is that with the cost of electricity going sky high, the new higher costs mean that a mile travelled in an EV will cost more than a mile travelled via petrol or diesel.

 

And it’s compounded by the limited range of an EV.  Hence the 400 mile journey calculation.  This is done with ease in a petrol or diesel whereas an EV will require a charge up.   They cite at 290 miles and i assume the cost of this “top-up” charge would be more than the cost of a home charge up.

 

Their calculations suggest that after October this year, an I-Pace would cost £99 more than an F-Pace for a 400 mile trip.

 

Different cars will undoubtedly produce different figures.  But when you look at the almost unbelievable price premium of an EV compared to a fossil fuel car, I wonder why anyone would buy an EV now?

Do you have a link to the RAC calculations?

[UKTJ]

Found a different article…

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11148861/Is-cheaper-run-electric-car-petrol-energy-prices-rising.html
 

This suggests based on home charging, after October an EV is still cheaper.  But that public charging is likely to be more than for a reasonably efficient petrol car.

 

of course electricity is forecast to jump again in January and petrol is currently trending downwards.

[Vernon]

16 hours ago, UKTJ said:

Do you have a link to the RAC calculations?

I read it in a couple of newspapers - the Telegraph was the most comprehensive but I don’t remember it providing a link to the RAC calculations - it just quoted an RAC spokesman and the figures.

[stewart]

some interesting figures on charge times and voltages plugging in 800v DC makes me a tad nervous ! https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advice/ev-charging-guide-home 

 

[UKTJ]

1 hour ago, Vernon said:

I read it in a couple of newspapers - the Telegraph was the most comprehensive but I don’t remember it providing a link to the RAC calculations - it just quoted an RAC spokesman and the figures.

My guess is that the length of journey was picked to mean the EV needed to commercially charge, this is no doubt what drove the price above the petrol option.  But £99 still seems a massive premium, hence my interest in seeing the calcs.

 

Using 30mpg and £6.50 per gallon the petrol car would cost about £87 in fuel.  So that £99 additional cost for the EV is more than double.  I am struggling to understand how they got to that - maybe that is why they have not provided the calculations.

[UKTJ]

On 27/08/2022 at 13:55, V said:

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• Frequent late arrivals at home blamed on recharging the car makes your partner worried that you are having an affair, or makes you think your partner is when they are driving it...

 

 

 

Maybe worth getting one if you are having an affair, to provide a regular excuse

Edited August 30, 2022 by UKTJ

[Volant165]

On 28/08/2022 at 07:11, HussaR said:

I think my future combo will be a small EV (smart twizzy)and a 2 door JL wrangler… I’ll use the EV fir run around, jeep for fun

Great minds...but instead of twizzy meet Zippy. A 500 cabrio. I can attest that range anxiety is real. Stated 180 mile range is 110 in reality.

 

I had a hospital appointment in London. Plotted my route. First charge point inoperative. Second had a hungry Tesla. One our later we began our charge. Two and a half hour journey became five hours. Cheaper?

 

One of my many EV recharge apps wrote to me today (BP) and said my rates at all of their chargepoints were going up to 55p kWh.

 

I have a brand new 5kWp solar panel system and a 10kWh battery that takes up half of my utility room wall. (Fortunately ordered the system back in January after reading about the upcoming 50%x2 price hikes) Hoping to charge overnight and avoid the circa 57p chargepoints. Oh and the quick charge chargepoints if you don't have all day will probably be nearing 70p in October. So it seems the very attractive running costs are disappearing. Kind of like beer goggles