UK Cherokee XJ values still rising

[V]

I think this is the highest I have seen in the UK so far £21,995

[TimC]

You’ve got to admit that is really, really nice though.

[UKTJ]

Very nice, very low milreage, but surely the price is too high.

[JimC]

Very nice but a £1k for each 1000 miles on the clock that is just too high a price.

[digger]

Depends whether you are the owner or the buyer I suppose! LOL.

I'm amazed how YJ prices have gone up since I bought mine. Back then the dearest askings were 6-7K. The highest I've seen is up with that XJ and many are asking 10-15K! The question is how many are sold?  If I get a phone number then I keep it a  while. then ring. I reckon about 40%. It will be TJs next!

These prices may sound a lot of money but... I've considered replacing my GC but its a gr8 car and low miles. I've test driven a number of options. However its difficult paying out 10s of 1000s of £ for a depreciating asset that may not be as comfortable or reliable. Add to that ,more modern means more electronics, which I neither want nor need, and that equals less reliability too! There are some real bargains out there at the mo, especially among more exec GT  motors,  in my view and I think they will yet fall more.

As for the xj it does look v.good. It looks like the SE leather to me which I had in mine, lovely and comfy! I think its a bit over the top but I would rather cough up for an appreciating car than one which drops 30% or more the day one buys it. 

Edited April 15, 2022 by digger

[V]

The price now is probably not far off the original invoice price when it was new.

[JimC]

41 minutes ago, V said:

The price now is probably not far off the original invoice price when it was new.

It is close, I paid £23k for my 2.5TD Sport in 1998.

 

[JimC]

3 hours ago, digger said:

These prices may sound a lot of money but... I've considered replacing my GC but its a gr8 car and low miles.

Had my WJ/WG for 13 years now and there is not much out there that I would replace her for without a lottery win. Mine has probably have a few more miles on than yours 135k, but I guess like yours, she has been very well looked after.
 

[UKTJ]

4 hours ago, digger said:

Depends whether you are the owner or the buyer I suppose! LOL.

I'm amazed how YJ prices have gone up since I bought mine. Back then the dearest askings were 6-7K. The highest I've seen is up with that XJ and many are asking 10-15K! The question is how many are sold?  If I get a phone number then I keep it a  while. then ring. I reckon about 40%. It will be TJs next!

These prices may sound a lot of money but... I've considered replacing my GC but its a gr8 car and low miles. I've test driven a number of options. However its difficult paying out 10s of 1000s of £ for a depreciating asset that may not be as comfortable or reliable. Add to that ,more modern means more electronics, which I neither want nor need, and that equals less reliability too! There are some real bargains out there at the mo, especially among more exec GT  motors,  in my view and I think they will yet fall more.

As for the xj it does look v.good. It looks like the SE leather to me which I had in mine, lovely and comfy! I think its a bit over the top but I would rather cough up for an appreciating car than one which drops 30% or more the day one buys it. 

I don't see a massive difference between YJ and TJ prices, but if there is it is the TJs that seem to fetch more.  Currently on Autotrader is this very sensible YJ, under 60k miles, 2" OME suspension lift, 1" body lift, ARB lockers front and rear with onboard air, priced at under £10k.

YJ on Autotrader

(The other one for sale is a 2.5 with closer to 100k miles for under £6k!)

 

You will find a lot of horribly modified TJs on for more than £10k.  But there is this one with a similar spec to the YJ above, under 50k miles, 4" RE lift, 1" body lift, ARB lockers front and rear and onboard air, priced at £13k.

TJ on Autotrader

 

So definitely not seeing any sort of premium for the YJ, £3k more for the TJ.  But as you say, asking price is not sale price.

Edited April 15, 2022 by UKTJ

[digger]

YJs are good though!!   The original Wrangler! Now very rare, less than 60 on road in UK i believe!!  

[UKTJ]

4 minutes ago, digger said:

YJs are good though!!   The original Wrangler! Now very rare, less than 60 on road in UK i believe!!  

Not disputing that!

is there a source for the number on the road?  I think I have seen something, but it just covered all Wranglers.

[Volant165]

1 hour ago, UKTJ said:

Not disputing that!

is there a source for the number on the road?  I think I have seen something, but it just covered all Wranglers.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/

[UKTJ]

39 minutes ago, Volant165 said:

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/

That's great thanks.  But I still can't see how I isolate just the YJs, but I'm not very techy

Edited April 15, 2022 by UKTJ

[V]

There is no easy way to isolate them. To make things worse, DVLA don't have a standardised entry description for specific models. A 4.0L Wrangler Automatic Sahara could be registered as '4.0L Auto Sahara', '4L Automatic Sahara', 'Wrangler Sahara', 'Wrangler 4.0L Auto' etc.

[UKTJ]

4 hours ago, V said:

There is no easy way to isolate them. To make things worse, DVLA don't have a standardised entry description for specific models. A 4.0L Wrangler Automatic Sahara could be registered as '4.0L Auto Sahara', '4L Automatic Sahara', 'Wrangler Sahara', 'Wrangler 4.0L Auto' etc.

So is there an alternative source for @digger’s estimate of 60 left on the road in the UK?

[digger]

Ah, there was on the DVLA website up to about 3/4 yrs ago. It showed a bar chart which showed number sold in each production year. I added the totals for these and 10304 comes to mind. It also had a second column showing number still on road from these and number SORN. At the time I saw it there were 61 left on road and about 50 I think SORN. I have tried to find this since without success. I was told such info is no longer provided as part of cost cutting programmes. reading it was one of the reasons I bought a YJ, it seemed a shame that the first Wrangler should disappear! 

 

 

 

[digger]

I've just tried to find a car advert that popped up a few weeks ago which I had read and deleted. It had two cars in the UK and one in the Netherlands. I recall the lowest was 8ish, the one in Holland was about 10-12k and the last which was highest I can't remember. It was some site I had not seen before with yellow banding at the top!

Actually I've just spotted the one in Holland on Car and Classic Red £10900 and another in Yorkshire Black 93  £15K. There's XJs too up to £17k.

The thing is I sign up to all sorts of sites where they may be, so they pop up sometimes! Otherwise I probably would see very few because they are rarer. Other Jeeps are often with them!

I wonder what that modern joke ''We buy cars!'' site says? When I've 5 mins!

Besides any Jeep must be worth more than a Landie!  LOL 

[digger]

Try this,

https://www.theparking-cars.co.uk/used-cars/jeep-wrangler-yj.html     

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1994-jeep-wrangler-yj-40-custom-K8WJ04

 

  Ok, a lot of these are in EU but I think this may be the site that popped up recently!  The other was auctioned end last summer.  That's more like the price depending on spec etc. I guess.

I have to say, I still love XJs and regret not still owning my first  Jeep, a brand new 4.0l!  I saw one of Vs recently, It was awesome!   

 

Update . My Mrs says  that she thinks the DVLA/ GOV site (whatever ) was on more like 4/5 yrs ago when I first began looking for a wrangler!!!

[UKTJ]

58 minutes ago, digger said:

Try this,

https://www.theparking-cars.co.uk/used-cars/jeep-wrangler-yj.html     

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1994-jeep-wrangler-yj-40-custom-K8WJ04

 

  Ok, a lot of these are in EU but I think this may be the site that popped up recently!  The other was auctioned end last summer.  That's more like the price depending on spec etc. I guess.

I have to say, I still love XJs and regret not still owning my first  Jeep, a brand new 4.0l!  I saw one of Vs recently, It was awesome!   

 

Update . My Mrs says  that she thinks the DVLA/ GOV site (whatever ) was on more like 4/5 yrs ago when I first began looking for a wrangler!!!

Looking at that site it probably just make sense to get one of the £2-3k ones shipped over from Canada.

[V]

I don't have time to look at the YJ stats right now, but here are some tips for anyone that does.

 

In the images below the 4.0L Sahara Auto is not a YJ because the registrations without SORNs start in 1997 when the TJ was released. The 4.0L Limited Auto is a YJ because the registrations without SORNs start before 1997.

 

Add the 'licensed' and 'SORN' totals in the last column to get the total number left for this DVLA record. Any of the Wrangler entries that have start dates in 1995 are YJs. However, if the record shows an increase in numbers that is higher than the total of Q2 or Q3 1997 than that category is being polluted with TJ numbers between 1997-2007, JK numbers 2007-2017(?), JL after that.

 

There are 53 'Wrangler 4.0 Limited Auto' left in the UK. This isn't the total number of YJs, it's just what has been recorded as 4.0 Limited Auto. There are other 4.0L and 2.5L models to add to the total.

Edited April 17, 2022 by V

[V]

Actually, I could be wrong about the 53. Notice that in 1998 the total registrations climbs from 66 to 70. This could mean that 4 more YJ were added to the numbers by means of used car imports from another country, or it could be 4 new TJ being recorded incorrectly.

[UKTJ]

Jeep Wrangler 4.0 is one of the bigger categories and that has volume pre '97 then rises significantly in '98 and only stops rising in 2001.  It also shows rises in recent years, both in numbers on the road and SORN, which is presumably imports.  On that basis this site is not really helpful in terms of isolating YJs.

 

Is DVLA subject to FOI requests?  Even if they are, I guess it would only help if they actually held the data in a form that gives the answer.

[V]

You can roughly isolate just the YJs under their tax status for 2020 using this page

 

Isolating the YJs by adding up all the entries from 1987 to 1996 I get the following for just the Jeep Wrangler 4.0 category:

 

Licensed: 75

SORN: 112

Total: 187

 

All of those before 1993 are non-Jeep UK imports, most likely LHD models.

[UKTJ]

50 minutes ago, V said:

You can roughly isolate just the YJs under their tax status for 2020 using this page

 

Isolating the YJs by adding up all the entries from 1987 to 1996 I get the following for just the Jeep Wrangler 4.0 category:

 

Licensed: 75

SORN: 112

Total: 187

 

All of those before 1993 are non-Jeep UK imports, most likely LHD models.

That'll teach me to look on my phone, didn't see other tabs.  Looks like the only two models that ran from 93 to 96 were the 2.5 and 4.0, with the 4.0 automatic running from 94 to 96.  I presume 97 was a mixed year due to the switch over to the TJ, but I can't see a way of splitting out which is which, the 2.5 and 4.0 existed in 98, so must have been TJ models as well as YJ, the 4.0 automatic seems to have stopped after the YJ, but there is a tiny 97 volume which I guess must have bee all YJs.

 

Taking those three models for the years 93 to 96 I get:

2.5: Licensed 106; SORN 161

4.0: Licensed 72; SORN 90

4.0 auto: Licensed 23; SORN 24.

 

That suggests as of the end of 2020 there were 201 licensed YJs and 275 SORN.  That excludes any YJs registered in 97, so is probably a bit of an underesyimate, but then some of those may have gone to Jeep heavan since the end of 2020 and how many of those SORN examples have returned or will ever return to the road is anyone's guess.

[digger]

That's interesting. It suggests then that there were never 10k odd sold in the  UK which is what I had understood from whatever site I found.. Perhaps the site had the decimal point in the wrong place. More like 1k in total tops from Vs figures!  Even rarer then!

I remember being give a demo car YJ when my new XJ was being serviced in about 93/94, at a really gr8 dealer!   ''Gloucestershire Jeep'' owned by Jim prentice! He even lent me his Wyllis, so I could give my wife's dad a ride in it. He had been at D day etc and when I had asked him , some years before, if he had any regrets about the war he replied, ''Yes, I never had a ride in a Jeep!'' His grin was a picture when I rolled up in one!

Wouldn't Jeep HQ know how many of each model were sold in the uk?

 

Its all very well considering buying from abroad but what will they be like. I enquired about ones for sale in the uk for about a year. During this time I drove many miles to look at a total of eleven if I remember right. All had MOTs. 3 were downright dangerous, many were in poor,  rusty condition and the interiors were fit for the bin. Most whether dealers or private had a glamorous description!  Very annoying!!  Only two were worth considering in my view.  One was an overpriced private (asking £7500 I think) down Croydon way somewhere. The owner wouldn't budge his price even after months of trying! The other was mine!  It had an MOT (One can guess how!!). The good news was the lack of serious rust along with solid major mechanicals and a good  interior but none the less filthy and mouldy from standing in a barn!

My guess is its probably a similar story with XJs, TJs, ZJs CJs etc.