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2022 Highway Code Changes and Byways


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With the H1 rule changing the hierarchy of road users to make the pedestrian king of the road, what happens on a byway? If a walker insists on walking on the strip of grass between the ruts, can they hold us up for the entire journey by refusing to stand aside to let us pass?

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9 hours ago, V said:

With the H1 rule changing the hierarchy of road users to make the pedestrian king of the road, what happens on a byway? If a walker insists on walking on the strip of grass between the ruts, can they hold us up for the entire journey by refusing to stand aside to let us pass?

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This sounds as good as smart motorways, people can just jay walk, what with a relaxation on HGV license law, can go from car to 44ton truck, the mix should be interesting, if not a little messy.

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It does strike me as bonkers.  The Govt. tried and failed to pass a law to limit ability of people to disrupt traffic, then bring in one that makes it much easier.  Once pedestrians have priority at junctions all anyone needs to do is get 100 people to walk in a giant snake across every entrance to a roundabout.  Job done, roads blocked, no glue required and legally presumably the police can do nothing.  Talk about an own goal 🙄

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1 hour ago, carls925 said:

This sounds as good as smart motorways, people can just jay walk, what with a relaxation on HGV license law, can go from car to 44ton truck, the mix should be interesting, if not a little messy.

Has the HGV licence change been decided already? I thought it was proposed that someone with a car licence (B) to a articulated HGV (C+E) but you still need to take the C+E HGV test and the 35 hour CPC course. Passing the C+E automatically fills in the gaps between B and C+E so you get C, C1, C1+E added to your licence without having to take these intermediate tests.

 

I guess, having dash cam video footage of a pedestrian causing a moving obstruction of the public highway may make it possible to obtain injunctive relief from a right of way obstructor. The fine is likely to be nominal £5 or less, but the obstructor will get a criminal record and hopefully the judge will agree that they pay all legal costs. I'm not a solicitor so my theory could be rubbish. I'm just looking for reasonable avenues of defence against other byway users abusing the privilege of their new hierarchy status.

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Yes I believe, there was such a shortage of drivers it changed, you dont need the 2 years experience of driving smaller trucks.

You can guarantee people will go out of there way to walk down middle of lanes to stop users.    

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Hmmm,

 

Well, the Highway Code is not actually law, but can and will be relied on in court in the event of an allegation to support wether or not an offence has been committed. Insurance companies will rely on it no doubt, as certainly will ambulance chasing lawyers. Good luck challenging anything in it.

I may start a new legal firm Lawyers4dawdlers.com

I think using it as a means of deliberately holding people up will render those doing the holding up, liable to the offence of wilful obstruction of the highway, inasmuch as it isn't a necessary obstruction (like I'm on a horse or on foot or on a bike and can't actually get out of your way or you out of mine until I can find a safe place to give way or for you to give way. 

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9 hours ago, spookie the aardvark said:

Always take a shovel with you ................................. bury their mistakes 😁😁😁

Are we thinking of "Shovely Joe" again? LOL

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18 hours ago, V said:

With the H1 rule changing the hierarchy of road users to make the pedestrian king of the road, what happens on a byway? If a walker insists on walking on the strip of grass between the ruts, can they hold us up for the entire journey by refusing to stand aside to let us pass?

The hierarchy is pretty much just updated when it some to turning really (this has been applied in Continental Europe for quite a while - funny that it has only been adopted now "post Brexit") - on a byway wit no cameras and no one else I tend to find that no pedestrians sty in the middle of the road (as much as I am one of those that lows/stops, smiles and waves lol)... Person vs Jeep - Jeep wins and there are no witnesses LOL

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5 hours ago, carls925 said:

Yes I believe, there was such a shortage of drivers it changed, you dont need the 2 years experience of driving smaller trucks.

You can guarantee people will go out of there way to walk down middle of lanes to stop users.    

You are assuming they know the new rules. As most of them don't actually read the HC, nor do cyclists, they won't know, so you can still 'remove' them!!

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28 minutes ago, jerryg said:

You are assuming they know the new rules. As most of them don't actually read the HC, nor do cyclists, they won't know, so you can still 'remove' them!!

All over BBC news today, so many will know.

 

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Giving cyclists a wide berth –1.5m – has been a requirement in Spain (& ? elsewhere) for some time, and is taken very seriously. I've seen a queue of lorries, buses and cars follow cyclists along N-routes (aka A roads) for a kilometre, waiting for an opportunity to pass without crowding. The guy on the bike wasn't being obstructive, but the road was narrow, winding through a gorge, and there was traffic coming the other way. I avoid cycling in England – far too dangerous, but it's a pleasure in Spain

Drivers in Spain are usually in much less of a hurry, and the Guardia Civil don't hesitate to stop anyone infringing the regulations. They even seem to be giving up the national sport of tailgating!

In the UK, we find that slowing for pedestrians on narrow lanes, and waiting 'til they can step aside without going in the ditch or climbing the hedge, generally produces a cheery wave rather than a shaken fist. What's to lose? The driver is sitting down in a nice warm car. 

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While taking the dog for a walk at 0600 this morning , hi vis , head torch and rear light on. 
noticed 3 pedal bikes with crappy lights on nearly visible, dark clothing and one only wearing a helmet.

They should look at that as well , should wear hi vis  all the time and helmets and no full black Lycra. 
I see them go through red lights and junctions 

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I am a HGV hazardous goods driver, one off the most dangerous vehicles on the road, A gas tanker, I am not aloud through Dartford tunnel ever. petrol tanker are escorted through as many as you like a time,

but I could bring the tunnel down.

The times people carve me up run me off the road, pull in front and stop in the smallest of places, well I'm 44tonn.

People have no concept, or reality, to the consequension of there actions. and how easy it is for all to end. I know people say this every day but it real does stagger me at how bad some people drive or ride

and laws keep changing to make more and more dangerous to be out on the roads on cars or bikes.     

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13 hours ago, Gerald F said:

Giving cyclists a wide berth –1.5m – has been a requirement in Spain (& ? elsewhere) for some time, and is taken very seriously. I've seen a queue of lorries, buses and cars follow cyclists along N-routes (aka A roads) for a kilometre, waiting for an opportunity to pass without crowding. The guy on the bike wasn't being obstructive, but the road was narrow, winding through a gorge, and there was traffic coming the other way. I avoid cycling in England – far too dangerous, but it's a pleasure in Spain

 

Wow all that extra pollution caused by cyclists who would have thought !

Maybe they should require a yearly physical to ensure they can keep up to speed to prevent traffic congestion  🙂 

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4 hours ago, BLUE STAR said:

Priorities all all wrong for free use of the roads

So can I propose CAR LANES ONLY ?

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Why use taxpayers money to build a cycle lane and not enforce its use? It's like cars choosing not to use a road but drive on the pavement.

 

I think its cycle in the middle of the lane except when the cycle is significantly slowing traffic. Then they need to move left to allow traffic to pass. 

 

That priority at junctions is ridiculous. How are you supposed to turn off? Come to a standstill? Traffic will hit you from the back.

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There was some chap on GMTV this morning saying that it won’t hold up traffic as the average cyclist travels at 20 mph. 😆😆😆😆 he obviously does not cycle anywhere around where I travel as most I see would be lucky if they were doing 10 😆 and that wind assisted downhill. 

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10 hours ago, carls925 said:

I am a HGV hazardous goods driver, one off the most dangerous vehicles on the road, A gas tanker, I am not aloud through Dartford tunnel ever. petrol tanker are escorted through as many as you like a time,

but I could bring the tunnel down.

The times people carve me up run me off the road, pull in front and stop in the smallest of places, well I'm 44tonn.

People have no concept, or reality, to the consequension of there actions. and how easy it is for all to end. I know people say this every day but it real does stagger me at how bad some people drive or ride

and laws keep changing to make more and more dangerous to be out on the roads on cars or bikes.     

 

I reckon you need a police escort in front and behind. That should help keep the careless at a distance.

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13 hours ago, Mike WK2 said:

There was some chap on GMTV this morning saying that it won’t hold up traffic as the average cyclist travels at 20 mph. 😆😆😆😆 he obviously does not cycle anywhere around where I travel as most I see would be lucky if they were doing 10 😆 and that wind assisted downhill. 

Ummm, 20mph even in a 30mph would hold up traffic even if it is travelling 5mph below the legal speed limit.  I am looking to buy shares in GoPro, sure there will be another surge in the sale of helmet mounted cameras, just so people can show cars doing something wrong.

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I stopped at the traffic light controlled cross roads in Welshpool this morning for the red light. It is a tight junction in an old town. I was indicating to turn left and had the green light to turn. I pulled away and someone stepped off the kerb into my path. I have no idea if it was carelessness or deliberate, but I had to pull up sharply while I was only a third of the way into the turn. There were no vehicles behind me, but it made me think what if it was a car in front of me that had to pull up like I did? Knowing that the traffic light timings are short at that junction, I would probably have pulled away almost at the same time as a vehicle in front and likewise for everyone following me that could see the traffic light.

 

I think the number of rear end collisions at junctions is likely to increase because of pedestrians stepping into the road. I am going to make a conscious effort to make sure I see the vehicle ahead 'clear the obstacle' before entering it myself. It is going to mess up traffic planner's timings on traffic lights, but I don't see any other way of protecting myself from these ridiculous hierarchy changes.

 

I found this interesting video of an opinion on the subject.

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This will most likely happen a lot , grab the pedestrian get there name and address as say a witness. Then send there details to insurance company to claim on there insurance . We’ll have people walking on the motorways soon , more blocking of roads . 

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Well, I pretty much do that already, and mostly for cyclists where I can. I have some sympathy for horse riders, who I find are usually extremely courteous and grateful for being given consideration. They also usually much more helpful than other users, they know they are slow moving and will normally wave you past if they can see the road is clear from their elevated position. I have also some  sympathy for cyclists and pedestrians as I am one, however they are generally a lot less courteous than horse riders. I have no sympathy for cyclists in packs in their lycra thinking they are in the Tour de France, do they now need to keep a 5ft distance from each other when out in their groups of 20? 

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