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Hi.

I'm a Brit, living in Turkey and currently looking for a classic Jeep to buy here. There are quite a few older (1950's and 1960's) CJ's available (see attached pictures) which have been restored and added to. Has anyone got any advice on what to look out for. Also when I come back to the UK, where can I get an all weather top for this model so I can drive it in the rain? 😀

 

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It looks like a CJ6 from the length of the body tub in front and behind the rear wheels. I'm not sure about the decals, these could be late model CJ7. Export model CJ6 were still in production when the CJ7 started selling in the USA. USA sales of CJ6 ended in 1975. AlexK may know more about the decals as he did a lot of research on them.

 

The CJ6 came in two very similar wheelbases depending on age. I would not expect the tops and their frames to be interchangeable between the two different wheelbases, but Bestop do a 1959-1975 TigerTop that spans both models. See the installation instructions for what is included.

 

1955-1971 = 101 inch wheelbase

1972-1975 USA model (-1981 Export model) = 103.5 inch wheelbase

 

It may be worth enquiring if you can find a top locally in Turkey as VAT in Turkey is 2% lower than in the UK. If you have to buy one in the USA and get it shipped internationally, check shipping+customs for both Turkey and UK. Adding a soft top in Turkey is not going to change the value of the vehicle when you import the Jeep into the UK. Be mindful that you will need to prove the manufacturing date of the Jeep to get a year related registration plate in the UK. Otherwise, it will get a 'Q' plate.

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They're knock-off '83-84 CJ Renegade decals; the top segment should be curved with an outline that extends over the top. The Renegade font isn't right, either. Embarrassing that I know this.

 

Prefer the CJ-8 myself, although not everyone likes the longer rear overhang. Either way, a CJ-6 in the UK would be an incredibly rare sight, and the advantage of the '6 is that it came with factory V6 and V8 options, whereas the '8 was 2.5 and 4.2 only.

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45 minutes ago, AlexK said:

 Embarrassing that I know this.

 

 

 

....ah, those little nuggets of knowledge tucked away just waiting for the day when someone will ask the right question for them to come flooding out 😁

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Those do look like aftermarket decals, although they look like they might be for a CJ6 as they do go all the way to the rear wheel arch. Did they actually do the CJ6 in Renegade equipment level? I didn't think they did.

 

Things to look out for: Rust, in the footwells, under the windshield if you fold it forward, where the roll bar attaches to the body tub, on the fenders and up inside the rear corners. That looks like an original tub as it has the stamped Jeep logo in the side panel so it will probably be susceptible to it although being in Turkey at least the weather is on its side.

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It may be that my phone isn’t showing the pics properly … but what’s happened to the front grill❓

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I hadn't noticed it before. It looks like two hydraulic hoses behind the grille. Power steering maybe? It might not have had power steering from the factory.

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Thanks for all the advice. Hopefully will be going to have a look at this one in the next few days.

Are there any retailers for the soft top in the UK? Very difficult getting things shipped to Turkey, would probably have to ship to UK then come and get it.

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As this is your first Jeep, don't rush, do your research for what to look for. Take a look at more than just this one. Remember, all that glitters is not gold. It is very easy to dress up any vehicle for sale with paint that covers all manner of sins. You should check for corrosion everywhere and understand what this means wherever you find it. If you cannot inspect it on a workshop lift, you will have to get underneath it on your back with a lamp, a screwdriver to prod with and small hammer to tap to listen to the sound of the metal. If you don't know how to do an inspection you should find a reputable vehicle inspector to do this for you before parting with your money.

 

You won't find it easy to find a UK retailer with a CJ6 top or doors in stock. Importing from the USA is more likely. It may be easier to get a new soft-top made in the UK if you already have a soft-top and its framework on the Jeep. There are a number of specialists that will make a new covering using the old one as a guide. Experienced specialists will know how to create a template from your old top adjusted for shrinkage. Some tops may just need repairs or replacement transparent panels stitched in. Prices may be less than importing a new top.

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From the door openings it looks like a CJ5.

The fuel filler looks non original. It could be a modification to use a late model rear tank. Early models had intermediate tanks with the filler in the bodyside just rearward of the door opening. The photo is too dark to see if it still has the original filler opening. Twin tank mods are not uncommon.

The hardtop and doors look non original. They could be of local manufacture. It doesn't have an opening rear hatch, the side windows are not as big as expected and the drainage channels around the door are not as prominent.

The spare tyre carrier has been moved. CJ5s that had the drop down tailgate had the spare mounted on the side where the rear fuel tank filler is visible on this Jeep. Spare tyres mounted on the rear were on body tubs that had a solid, non-opening rear panel. I believe it was a customer option what the rear panel was like up until sometime in the 70's.

The rear bumper may be a local requirement, it doesn't look original. I think CJ5s had two separate bumperettes instead of one bumper beam. Farm Jeeps with Ferguson hitches may not have had any rear bumper. 

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