Returning to XJ Orvis ownership ....

[steveXJ]

Hi, new to this forum which I found whilst researching bits for my newly acquired 2000 Cherokee Orvis 4.0.

 

I had another identical model from new in 2000, which was sold in 2007. Ever since, I've fancied buying another so when this one owner car came up at a rather appealing price, we ended up buying it on the day! She's got some minor body work issues (scrapes and some small rust patches)  but that's fine as my goal is to get her back to looking like new and stock over the next year of so (the interior isn't far off already, just needs a good hoover and clean!) .

 

First priority is a full service and changing ALL the fluids before she goes out and about.  I may have to do myself when I can find the time, unless I can find a reasonable 4x4 specialist garage in the mid/south Lincolnshire area to do it for me (any suggestions out there?)

 

Also looking at changing the tyres which are, I suspect, all over 10 years old and are completely different style/make on the front axle compared to the back! Current favoured options are OEM size BFGoodrich All Terrain T/A KO 2 or Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure (the ones with Kevlar) so open to any advice/recommendations!  

 

Anyway, here's some photos of the interior and one of her in a suitable setting!  

 

 

[steveXJ]

...and here's two photos of the first one I had, which also had quite a few options added at the time, plus some bits and pieces bought whilst in the US (hood and grille 'bra', CD changer housing/storage box for the space on the right of the boot)

 

Anyone know of a pair of genuine Jeep XJ rock bars for sale? I want to get some for the 'new' XJ to match my old one ....

 

I wonder where this one is today? I sold her to a chap in Leicester back in 2007. He worked as a security guard at a factory near the Porsche dealer....

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2018 by steveXJ

[Tony]

That’s one nice looking xj Steve, I’ve had a few xj’s over the years and have a soft spot for them.

[steveXJ]

Thanks Tony.

 

One of the most pressing jobs is getting the underside corrosion treated and then something added to protect it

[MHIOM]

Hi, we too have just purchased our second jeep cherokee orvis 4.0. 1999, identical to our first one including colour, which died a couple of years ago, luckily we kept it so will be okay if we need any spares. Had a BMW X3 in between, so uncomfortable! Our problem is, log book for this one lists it as Chrysler Chevrolet Orvis, no mention of Jeep. Living on Isle of Man, went to vehicle registration office to complete change of ownership, who were very helpful & said the log book had been like that for years but to try & obtain a letter of conformity from the manufacturers, North Assembly plant, Toledo,  Ohio. Does anyone have an email address to contact Jeep for help? If we can't obtain the necessary paperwork they will do the transfer as it is. Thanks

[MHIOM]

On 06/08/2018 at 06:30, MHIOM said:

Hi, we too have just purchased our second jeep cherokee orvis 4.0. 1999, identical to our first one including colour, which died a couple of years ago, luckily we kept it so will be okay if we need any spares. Had a BMW X3 in between, so uncomfortable! Our problem is, log book for this one lists it as Chrysler Chevrolet Orvis, no mention of Jeep. Living on Isle of Man, went to vehicle registration office to complete change of ownership, who were very helpful & said the log book had been like that for years but to try & obtain a letter of conformity from the manufacturers, North Assembly plant, Toledo,  Ohio. Does anyone have an email address to contact Jeep for help? If we can't obtain the necessary paperwork they will do the transfer as it is. Thanks

 

[MHIOM]

Hi Stewart. Thanks for the information but I tried & it said no records held for this Vin number.

Has anyone else out there Jeeps log book listed as a Chrysler Chevrolet Orvis instead of Jeep Cherokee. It has been listed as Chrysler Chevrolet since it was brought into the Isle of Man in 1999 when new. This is the Isle of Man!

Thanks anyway.

[steveXJ]

I tried my VIN on that website as well as the one for my brother's Limited. His worked but mine fails with a massage telling me to contact a system admin so I'm guessing the UK specials like the Orvis aren't correctly set up in the system

[V]

6 hours ago, MHIOM said:

Hi Stewart. Thanks for the information but I tried & it said no records held for this Vin number.

Has anyone else out there Jeeps log book listed as a Chrysler Chevrolet Orvis instead of Jeep Cherokee. It has been listed as Chrysler Chevrolet since it was brought into the Isle of Man in 1999 when new. This is the Isle of Man!

Thanks anyway.

 

You should contact your vehicle registration authority and demand an immediate correction.

It should be a 'Jeep Cherokee Orvis' or a 'Chrysler Jeep Cherokee Orvis', nothing else. Someone at the time of registration made a typographical error.

 

I have had Swansea DVLA correct their mistakes before. You just have to ask them to prove what the homologation (type approval) certificate for this vehicle says it is if they don't immediately agree it is their mistake.

 

 

[MHIOM]

I have been to our vehicle licensing department, IOM has its own licensing here nothing to do with DVLA. They were helpful in telling me what I need to do, I need a letter of conformity from place of manufacture which is North Assembly plant in Toledo,  Ohio. Trying to locate email address. They won't change log book without this! Not got anywhere yet.

[MHIOM]

Will go back in on Monday, but I fear I won't get anywhere with them.

[V]

Is the vehicle registered to you PERSONALLY?

Give them 30-days in which to correct THEIR error concerning your personal data before you make a complaint to the ICO.

Print out two copies of your Request for Rectification, get an officer at your Registrations Office to sign and date one for you to keep as evidence.

It is not your responsibility to provide proof of an error, it is their responsibility to prove the data is correct.

Isle-of-Man is subject to GDPR compliance.

 

[V]

If they try to fob you off, demand to speak to their Data Protection Officer. Do not back down, you have the law on your side, they don't.

 

It may be useful to take photographs of all of the type approval labels on your Jeep to give them copies. This is sufficient information to help them prove the accuracy of their data.

[V]

The key aspect here is that you are not registering a newly imported vehicle, it is already registered so has already had it's certificate of conformity checked at the time of registration.

 

If the vehicle has already been registered in an EU member state it does not require a manufacturer's Certificate of Conformity the second time around (in accordance with EC directive 2007/C68/04 - if a vehicle was already registered in a member state, it should not pass again the same tests already passed, nor criteria for registration again).

[Fourpot]

OK, back to the original post...   That's a lovely looking XJ there Steve. I'd go for the BFG AT KO2s, I have them on my XJ. They're the best wet-grip rating (B) of any 4x4 tyre I could find and they're reasonably priced too, not noisy and not too drastic rolling resistance. 

[Fourpot]

On 05/08/2018 at 17:02, steveXJ said:

Thanks Tony.

 

One of the most pressing jobs is getting the underside corrosion treated and then something added to protect it

Choose you're underbody-coater carefully, don't go to 'Before n After'' in Warwickshire. I only saw the inside of his premises when I went to collect the car the second time (after the 1st time I found loads of bits he'd missed). 'Shoddy' doesn't even get near it...

[steveXJ]

On 11/08/2018 at 15:35, Fourpot said:

OK, back to the original post...   That's a lovely looking XJ there Steve. I'd go for the BFG AT KO2s, I have them on my XJ. They're the best wet-grip rating (B) of any 4x4 tyre I could find and they're reasonably priced too, not noisy and not too drastic rolling resistance. 

Great, thanks. It's the wet performance that was swinging it for me. What size do you have fitted? 

[steveXJ]

On 11/08/2018 at 15:46, Fourpot said:

Choose you're underbody-coater carefully, don't go to 'Before n After'' in Warwickshire. I only saw the inside of his premises when I went to collect the car the second time (after the 1st time I found loads of bits he'd missed). 'Shoddy' doesn't even get near it...

That looks grim!

 

I'm looking at the guys.... 

http://www.rust.co.uk/1-contact-us/t3/

 

£450-475 including prep and rust conversion doesn't seem too bad? 

 

Car just passed its MOT! Some minor welding going to be done and a bit of paint work, plus a full service at a nice little local garage I've found (via recommendation) so it's 'all go' for resisting back to tip top condition

 

 

[Fourpot]

Splendid!  My tyres are 265/70 R 16s on wheels with a zero offset - so they stick out more. I have a 3" lift though which gives a little more room for bigger tyres I also had to do a little metal work to the arches. I don't think these would fit a stock car, the tyres wouldn't fit very well on mine without the change in offset. I did have a stock XJ 2.5 with 235/70 16 Yokohama Overlanders with stock offset 16" wheels. They worked fine.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Fourpot

[MHIOM]

Further to my last post on 11th August regarding incorrect log book, sorry for delay but I have been off the island for 4 weeks, most of the time no phone signal or internet.

Just like to report that I have now got a correct log book courtesy of the IOM Licensing department. Thanks for all your help, which really was helpful, also the North Assembly Plant in Toledo, did what they could but couldn't really help, Jacksons IOM the jeep dealership over here also tried. The company who really solved the problem for me & I am really grateful was Mildenhall Autos in the UK who deal in American vehicles and bring vehicles in from the US & have contacts over there. When I returned to the licensing department I had a pile of paperwork which I had put together with everyone's help (Not the Letter of Conformity which they initially stated I must obtain!) They took it all away for a meeting with a manager. I thought it was quite funny because they said I had done my homework, I replied that I had to as I was being pushed from pillar to post between two different departments a few miles apart. I tried not to smile when they came out after perusing my paperwork and literally asked me what I wanted putting on the log book!!! I told them, and hey presto one went to a desk & printed it!!!

[V]

That's good news. Glad you got them to see sense eventually.